Over-Lasered. But with a purpose in mind.

You have no doubt heard about being over-gunned. Ever heard of being over-lasered? How many lasers can one gun have?

Talk about redundant sight systems, this Glock has four lasers.

This Glock has four; Crimson Trace laser grips, a Laser-Max guide rod laser, a LaserLyte rear sight laser and a Viridian rail-mount laser. It’s ridiculous I know, no matter how much you believe in having a back-up or redundant sight systems on a fighting handgun.

SEE VIDEO OF ALL FOUR LASERS ON ONE TARGET BY CLICKING HERE

However, for the test I was conducting, it was a perfect solution. I wanted to see which of these lasers were the most instinctive (easiest and fastest) to activate and the only real way to do this was put them all on the same handgun and let the same shooters try them.

The Glock model 22 was placed on a table in front of each shooter who had to pick it up, activate the laser and engage a target seven yards away. Each shooter did this three times for an average with each laser individually. (Results are shown below.) Surprisingly, the standard sights averaged out to be the fastest. I believe this was due to the close range to the target (You really did not need sights at all.) and that only one of the shooters was intimately familiar with handgun lasers. This also shows that if you are going to have a laser on your handgun, you need to practice with it.

An interesting test none the less. And, kind of a hoot to aim a handgun with four lasers on at once. The sad thing is that I know that somewhere, somebody has a gun set up just like this…and they are serious!

Sight/Laser                                                       Average Time

Handgun Sights                                                          2.08

LaserLyte (rear sight laser)                                      4.31

LaserMax (guide rod laser)                                      3.87

Crimson Trace (laser grip)                                       2.15 (Fastest Laser)

Viridian (rail mount laser)                                       3.05

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About gunwriter

Born and raised in the West Virginia hills, Richard literally grew up in the woods. He has chased coon hounds until daylight, waited out whitetails perched high in an oak, canoed the New River and hunted from the Montana Mountains to the Green Hills of Africa. During service in the Army and later as a municipal police officer and Special Agent with the railroad police, Richard obtained numerous certifications in small arms instruction. He has trained military personnel, law enforcement officers and civilians in the application of firearms for defensive, competitive and recreational use. Richard won the West Virginia Governor’s Twenty Award for law enforcement, the West Virginia National Guard State Pistol Competition and earned his Distinguished Medal with pistol. Badge turned in, Richard is now a contributing editor for several magazines. He was the compiling author of the book, Rifle Bullets for the Hunter and conceptualized and contributed to Selecting and Ordering a Custom Hunting Rifle. Richard also contributed a chapter to the John Velke book, The True Story of the Baldwin-Felts Detective Agency. Richard has patents on a riflescope reticle and a revolutionary bullet testing media. A hillbilly at heart, Richard lives on Shadowland - his shooting range in West Virginia - with the most understanding wife in the world, their three kids and a very protective ridgeback hound.
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28 Responses to Over-Lasered. But with a purpose in mind.

  1. Ed Head says:

    Where’s the bayonet?

  2. Eagle says:

    It’s a good thing you took a picture of that gun–I think it is the first time anyone has actually ever applied the laser safety sticker to a handgun. ;-D

  3. John in KS says:

    Would love to see what the target looks like with all four of those lasers activated at the same time. LOL!

    “Predator” anyone? (tri-dot aiming) =^D

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  5. DirtCrashr says:

    I bet you could scare a perp pantless with all of them on at once in strobe-mode!

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  9. yarco says:

    I’m very interested in the test results, if
    a/ done in low-light conditions and
    b/ the shooters have let’s say 30-60 minutes for training with each laser system.

    Crimson Trace will probably ‘suffer’ the least improvement compared to others, as it’s handling is intuitive from the very beginning.
    Please, let’s test it, if possible ;o)

    • gunwriter says:

      For what its worth, I’ve conducted similar tests in the past where participants were given familiarization time. The end results are generally comparable; what’s difficult to do without any familiarization is still difficult with a little familiarization.

      The shooters used in the test were a well seasoned shooter with minimal laser experience, my 10 year old son and me. Interestingly, on a few occasions, my son was faster than the seasoned shooter who was intent on maintaining proper form when shooting with the laser even though it was not necessary.

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  11. 1withabullet says:

    +1 for an image or video of the target with all lasers on it!

  12. Tom says:

    Now if they all would go on at the same time and sync to music… the ultimate nightstand LASER show. I’m thinking “The Wall” by Pink Floyd!

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  14. gunwriter says:

    The video with all four lasers on target is up and can be seen here: https://gunwriter.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/four-lasers-one-target/

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  16. Marshall says:

    Interesting study. LaserMax has had a number of informal studies involving several hundred people over several years both civilian and experienced armed professionals done byAIS PRISim at Shot Show with a computer simulator. Additioanlly, I have partnered with AIS PRISim at venues like International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors, American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers, International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers, Florida High Liability Conference, and the Canadian Police Officer Safety Conference among others. They are able to document the times and establish hits and misses. For the studies they used 6 numbered balls in consecutive order. They had to shoot them in increasing order or decreasing order and if they missed it… it threw the balls back up in a different placement and you start over. Virtually, everyone had no exerience with a laser. End result when you looked at time differences the group totals were significantly better with the LaserMax then the times using the conventional sights. All Three Winners with best times in both civilian and Armed Professional Divisions had better times with the LaserMax then without. The accuracy with the laser was significantly better as well with far fewer misses registeres. The exercise is intended to try and use a skill test that more closely mirrors the real world. In adversarial conditions in LE 46% of the armed confrontations are with multiple advesaries… thus the requirement that a LEO or citizen in a defensive/offensive situation has to first identify the threat , secondly, if using conventional sights transition their vision back to the take accurate aim and cobstantly scan for others. In a gunfight that correlates to loosing about .25 seconds in the gunfight. According to Dr. Bill Lewinski that correlates to about 2 rounds coming your way. This transition back and forth with eyes simulates you scanning the environment and having to think about what you shoot. As was noted the sights were quite quick in the test. In a stress related incident you loose near sight vision with an SNS dump and you become binocular dominate as reported in a study by Bruce Siddle, and Dr. Hal Breadlove. Similar findng were discovered when the SIG Arms Academy contacted their Behavioral Optomitrist. I can see why the tests might tend to favor the CT laser in that it activates when you grab it usually. I teach around the country in many venues and always ask my classes (primarily LE and some MIL) how many of them were ever involved in a gunfight in the whole career? In a class of 20-50 I usually only have 1-2 that actually was involved in a gunfight and I ask how many, usaully 1 or 2 at most. What was the distance? Under 10 feet and usually within spitting distance. I then asked them how many of them were ever on a call, or operation, and as they drew their gun and flashlight out how many did not want to make noise or light as they made their approach. Everyone… and not a few times but hundreds or thousands depending on their length of service. The CT system is good if you want to have it usually come on when you grab it in a dark environment. Another interesting statistic I have seen indicates 85% of the LEOs that were shot had their guns in their holster. The first thing anyone does in a stressful potential shoot situation is to get the gun out of the holster and index their finger along the frame where the activation of the LaserMax is. I am a firm beliver that lasers can make you better in many situations, but not all. I would never teach anyone that it was quicker to activate any laser in close range combat aqnd even in a laser class I train my students to draw and fire with as much sight as they need to make the shot. Out of curiosity, what laser company loaned you the gun?

  17. gunwriter says:

    Interesting information. This is one of many laser tests I have conducted. Actually, it is just a small part of a multi-faceted test I recently completed with a number of lasers. There was no intent in this post to proclaim a best laser – mostly to just share some information I found interesting.

    The Glock was loaned to me by Crimson Trace because I do not have a Glock and do not intend to acquire one either. That had no bearing on the tests and as you admitted, you were not surprised it was fastest. No one else was surprised at that fact either.

    I carried a Glock for 13 years on duty and that was enough. The last three years I carried a Glock with a LaserMax guide rod laser. Never used it to shoot a bad guy but did run – I’m guessing – around 2000 rounds through the LaserMax Glock without an issue. The LaserMax was an issue item for our Dept.

    I’ve written several articles proclaiming my affinity for lasers. There are many instances where they are faster, more accurate and tactically advantageous to conventional sights – the times when they fail to work are not one of them.

    I still believe that learning sights should come first and if you plan to use a laser on your handgun – don’t just mount it and smile – you have to practice and develop the skills that allow you to shoot it more accurately and faster than sights. Looking at a red dot and pulling the trigger might be a more instinctive than lining up sights for a shot but not for someone that has been shooting a handgun that way all their life.

    The test continued to include lasers on rifles and there we found the time with the fastest laser (You’ll like this, the LASER MAX – UNIMAX Rail Mount Laser was second by 0.08 seconds – a tie for all practical purposes) was faster than with a red dot sight – given the shooters involved.

    There is no doubt lasers are a viable tool that offers tactical advantages. Problem is, trainers have not embraced the need to school shooters on how they are best used. I’ve written numerous articles proclaiming this and do incorporate laser specific topics in any relative training I conduct as well as my own practice.

    Looking forward to seeing what LaserMax has new at SHOT.

    • Marshall says:

      Booth #12771 I look forward to seeing you there… I seldom get a chance to stray to much. We have AIS PRISim with us there as well. Our latest release Genesis a rechargeable Green Laser… very small and available for picutres and a trial run. We have presskits in the booth. http://www.lasermax.com/cat_info.php?id=108
      Take care and be safe!

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